On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:46:43 GMT, WaltA
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> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:02:22 +0100, Chris& I wrote:
>>> Or even, as I sometimes do, leavened with a culture of wee beasties
>>> raised from the flour itself, ie. sourdough and similar stuff.
>>I wonder whether that counts as leavened in the Jewish sense?
>>Interesting...
> Oh yes, interesting ! I dunno is the simple answer !
> I am not a scholar, I had previously assumed that the interdiction
> upon leavening was to do with health in a hot climate transferred into
> erm, how shall I say,, erm withoutwi****ng to tred upon any toes,
> a code of living, ie. anything going a bit frothy and bubbly in a hot
> climate may not do you a power of good, but now thinking about this
> and what you said, I dont remember any interdiction (in that faith) of
> fermentation with a view to gaining alcohol, sooo,, over to anyone who
> can enlighten our darkness !
I'll ask some of my Jewish friends who I know make their own bread. And
"code of living" is a good neutral term, and a very good description
(it's not limited to kosher/halal, it can also describe vegetarians and
other lifestyles with food restrictions).
>>Ah, home made is the best. Sometime I'll have to try, but I rarely
>>drink alcohol at home (I'd really like to make Perry and Cyzer, the
>>former can be obtained but I don't know anywhere making the latter)...
>
> I only drink at home, anywhere else has become too complicated in
> recent years. (and too costly, and too much contributed to the
> chancellor; and his need is as nothing compared to mine !)
I drink at friends' houses, if I'm not having to drive. I try to avoid
solitary drinking (I don't have a wife or SO), because it's likely to
become a habit.
> No, me neither ! ( the latter)
> My wife used to work at a research institute that started life as a
> Cider Research Institute. She was quite intimate in the ways of perry
> (and Baby$'"^m) and Cider amongst other things.
> I'm waffling, whilst I try to recall what Cyzer was, I know the word!,
> without doing a Google,,, I'm sure that either she or CJJ.Berry could
> tell me in a flash, if I were to ask them :)
If you ferment apple juice, you get cider.
If you ferment honey, you get mead.
If you mix apple juice and honey and then ferment it, you get --
something which has a lot of alcohol (one person I knew regularly got
over 15% ABV) and doesn't taste as though it has much at all because
it's still sweet. And that's Cyzer (siser, ciser, and many other
spellings)...
(Re. the perry -- you bastard <g>...)
Chris C
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