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Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?

by Albert Worschey <worldwar666@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 9, 2008 at 08:56 PM

Dan wrote:
> Tim May wrote:
>> In article <QdOdnc53acrAuBjanZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Albert
>> Worschey <worldwar666@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> Good reasons suggested so far.  I've also heard that many of them 
>>> started out there, though I haven't looked up the data myself.  
>>> You're right though about the limited selection in the NJ-PA area.  
>>> It's tough reading all these discussions (in aff-f) about Del Taco, 
>>> JitB, etc. with no frame of reference.
>>
>> To the list of good reasons submitted so far, I would add two others:
>>
>> 1. Economy in decline in the Northeast. Fast food franchises have
>> tended to expand rapidly in booming areas, not declining refinery or
>> steel towns.
>> 2. The toll road system. It's been awhile since I was in a car in
>> Penn/NJ/NY, but my recollection was of a lot of toll roads, with
>> limited access points.
>>
>> Fast food places grow like mushrooms at the onramps and offramps and
>> cloverleafs of our freeway system. In-N-Out, for example, almost always
>> tries to find a location where there large yellow and red signs are
>> visible from a mile away and where motorists can decide to exist at the
>> offramp, grab a burger, and get back on the highway.
> 
> What if they decide not to exist?

They can exist into the trees along the highway.
>>
>> This is possible to do on toll roads, but at much higher cost and
>> hassle. (I suppose the fast food chains could cut deals to locate on
>> the actual toll road...I recall that this is how Howard Johnson
>> operated. Makes it hard for newer FF chains to do the same.)
>>
>> In California, Arizona, Nevada, Texas, Oregon, places I am well
>> familiar with, there are very few toll roads. (One I know of is in
>> Southern California, linking San Juan Bautista to Irvine, about a
>> 20-mile private stretch. And, sure enough, limited access points and no
>> clusters of fast food chains and gas stations at the access points.)
>>
>> In Florida, there are both freeways ("free") and toll roads. On one
>> long toll road from Fort Lauderdale down to the tip, we passed no fast
>> food places at all. On the neighboring highway, hundreds of them.
>>
> 
> There's fast-food every 40 miles, or so, on the FL Turnpike and the 
> access is much easier than exiting off of I95 or I75.
> 

This is also true of the toll roads in NJ and the PA turnpike.  Every 
40-50 miles or so there's a service area along the road (usually one in 
each direction or on median between them) that invariably has a contract 
with one or more fast food outlets.  But Tim makes a good observation 
regarding non-tolled highways.  Routes 1 and 22, just to name two here, 
are untolled smorgssbords in every direction.  But as for fast food, 
it's mostly the same three major chains Shawn mentioned repeating 
themselves every few miles, with an Arby's here and there and maybe a 
couple Checkers drive-thrus.



-- 
Albert Worschey
 




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Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-09 07:28:42 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@[E  2008-01-09 13:01:05 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-09 08:15:46 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 07:16:05 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-12 13:33:57 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 21:02:50 
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"Terri" <not  2008-01-09 13:33:18 
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Sqwertz <swertz@[EMAIL  2008-01-09 15:25:42 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 07:05:42 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Albert Worschey <world  2008-01-09 14:47:01 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-09 13:11:22 
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Dan <intrceptor@[EMAIL  2008-01-09 19:19:24 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Albert Worschey <world  2008-01-09 20:56:16 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
pltrgyst <pltrgyst@[EM  2008-01-10 01:06:21 
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AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@[E  2008-01-10 16:33:00 
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pltrgyst <pltrgyst@[EM  2008-01-10 15:08:56 
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AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@[E  2008-01-10 20:40:08 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-10 20:04:02 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 22:38:52 
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Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 22:38:08 
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pltrgyst <pltrgyst@[EM  2008-01-13 00:46:02 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 22:36:29 
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Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-09 23:52:15 
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Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-09 21:22:55 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Albert Worschey <world  2008-01-10 01:10:20 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Al Eisner <eisner@[EMA  2008-01-13 18:36:49 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-14 02:47:48 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-13 22:48:31 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-14 06:59:39 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Sqwertz <swertz@[EMAIL  2008-01-14 08:46:53 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-13 22:09:00 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-13 19:25:24 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Steve Fenwick <nospam@  2008-01-13 20:05:48 
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RWW <RWW@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-01-13 20:20:03 
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geoffm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-14 18:22:58 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-14 18:29:58 
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Golden California Girls &  2008-01-13 22:42:02 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-13 22:47:38 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
geoffm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-14 18:15:55 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Al Eisner <eisner@[EMA  2008-01-14 15:06:36 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-14 15:24:20 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Steve Fenwick <nospam@  2008-01-14 20:09:27 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Al Eisner <eisner@[EMA  2008-01-15 10:50:49 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-15 21:23:47 

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