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Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?

by Dan <intrceptor@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 9, 2008 at 07:19 PM

Tim May wrote:
> In article <QdOdnc53acrAuBjanZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, Albert
> Worschey <worldwar666@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
>> Good reasons suggested so far.  I've also heard that many of them 
>> started out there, though I haven't looked up the data myself.  You're 
>> right though about the limited selection in the NJ-PA area.  It's tough

>> reading all these discussions (in aff-f) about Del Taco, JitB, etc.
with 
>> no frame of reference.
> 
> To the list of good reasons submitted so far, I would add two others:
> 
> 1. Economy in decline in the Northeast. Fast food franchises have
> tended to expand rapidly in booming areas, not declining refinery or
> steel towns. 
> 
> 2. The toll road system. It's been awhile since I was in a car in
> Penn/NJ/NY, but my recollection was of a lot of toll roads, with
> limited access points.
> 
> Fast food places grow like mushrooms at the onramps and offramps and
> cloverleafs of our freeway system. In-N-Out, for example, almost always
> tries to find a location where there large yellow and red signs are
> visible from a mile away and where motorists can decide to exist at the
> offramp, grab a burger, and get back on the highway.

What if they decide not to exist?

> 
> This is possible to do on toll roads, but at much higher cost and
> hassle. (I suppose the fast food chains could cut deals to locate on
> the actual toll road...I recall that this is how Howard Johnson
> operated. Makes it hard for newer FF chains to do the same.)
> 
> In California, Arizona, Nevada, Texas, Oregon, places I am well
> familiar with, there are very few toll roads. (One I know of is in
> Southern California, linking San Juan Bautista to Irvine, about a
> 20-mile private stretch. And, sure enough, limited access points and no
> clusters of fast food chains and gas stations at the access points.)
> 
> In Florida, there are both freeways ("free") and toll roads. On one
> long toll road from Fort Lauderdale down to the tip, we passed no fast
> food places at all. On the neighboring highway, hundreds of them.
> 

There's fast-food every 40 miles, or so, on the FL Turnpike and the 
access is much easier than exiting off of I95 or I75.

> 
> I don't think this is the primary reason for fewer FF places, just
> something to add to the list.
> 
> 
> --Tim May
 




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Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-09 07:28:42 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@[E  2008-01-09 13:01:05 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-09 08:15:46 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 07:16:05 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-12 13:33:57 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 21:02:50 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
"Terri" <not  2008-01-09 13:33:18 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Sqwertz <swertz@[EMAIL  2008-01-09 15:25:42 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 07:05:42 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Albert Worschey <world  2008-01-09 14:47:01 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-09 13:11:22 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Dan <intrceptor@[EMAIL  2008-01-09 19:19:24 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Albert Worschey <world  2008-01-09 20:56:16 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
pltrgyst <pltrgyst@[EM  2008-01-10 01:06:21 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@[E  2008-01-10 16:33:00 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
pltrgyst <pltrgyst@[EM  2008-01-10 15:08:56 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@[E  2008-01-10 20:40:08 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-10 20:04:02 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 22:38:52 
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Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 22:38:08 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
pltrgyst <pltrgyst@[EM  2008-01-13 00:46:02 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-12 22:36:29 
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Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-09 23:52:15 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-09 21:22:55 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Albert Worschey <world  2008-01-10 01:10:20 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Al Eisner <eisner@[EMA  2008-01-13 18:36:49 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-14 02:47:48 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-13 22:48:31 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-14 06:59:39 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Sqwertz <swertz@[EMAIL  2008-01-14 08:46:53 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Shawn Hirn <srhi@[EMAI  2008-01-13 22:09:00 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-13 19:25:24 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Steve Fenwick <nospam@  2008-01-13 20:05:48 
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RWW <RWW@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-01-13 20:20:03 
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geoffm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-14 18:22:58 
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spope33@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-01-14 18:29:58 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-13 22:42:02 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-13 22:47:38 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
geoffm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-01-14 18:15:55 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Al Eisner <eisner@[EMA  2008-01-14 15:06:36 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Tim May <timcmay@[EMAI  2008-01-14 15:24:20 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Steve Fenwick <nospam@  2008-01-14 20:09:27 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Al Eisner <eisner@[EMA  2008-01-15 10:50:49 
Re: Why so few ff places in the northeast?
Golden California Girls &  2008-01-15 21:23:47 

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