On Jul 6, 12:18=A0am, Stan de SD <StanD...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 10:29=A0pm, Pinnochio Mojo <pinnochiojo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > On Jul 5, 12:48=A0pm, Stan de SD <StanD...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 2, 1:18=A0pm, Pinnochio Mojo <pinnochiojo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> > > > Once upon a time Victor was a very intelligent, resourceful and
> > > > insightful person. Sitting on the streets all these years have
> > > > hardened him considerably, i hardly recognize him today. He should
=
be
> > > > the first person to recognize that uppermiddle class america is on
=
a
> > > > crusade to criminalize poverty, and the marginalize homeless.
>
> > > Yeah, right. It's all the fault of people who work for a living,
that
> > > some people are bums. :O|
>
> > america is on a crusade to criminalize poverty, and in particular to
> > marginalize the =A0homeless, there is no getting around it.
>
> You mean Americans are finally fed up with all this PC crap that bums,
> druggies, alkies, and derelicts are somehow "victims" who are not to
> be held to the same standard as everyone else, right?
>
> > =A0In Palo Alto
> > the sit-lie ordinance was specifically extended from the main street
> > downtown several blocks away to target Victor. He is still foolish
> > enough to hold onto the american dream, pretending not to notice that
> > our civil liberties are under attack and fast disappearing.
>
> Since when is camping out on a sidewalk or pissing/****ing in public
> a "civil liberty"?
>
> > This is
> > the point i was trying to make, not to endlessly argue a flawed
> > concept about the classist and racist nature of our society,
>
> You made your point - you're a closet commie. Maybe you can buy Victor
> a ticket to Cuba if you care so ****ing much... :O|
Panhandling on a sidewalk has substantial elements of "expressive
activity"
which involves the "civil liberty" of freedom of expression. People
will perceive
your panhandling differently on whether you are sitting or standing.
If you are
sitting, you will seem safer to approach or pass by. If you are
standing, a passerby
might not feel as safe and might avoid you completely at a "safe
distance".
The "sit-lie" ordinance interferes with this choice of personal
expression. It creates
government-mandated non-verbal expression to others by making the
panhandler stand up.
Read the case Roulette v. City of Seattle
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=3Dsearch&case=3D/dat=
a2/circs/9th/9435354.html
On the second point above, the bums on the streeets are not the major
entitlement bunnies of our society,
who are not held to the same standard of responsibility as shmos like
us.
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