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Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!

by Tim Smith <reply_in_group@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 4, 2008 at 06:45 PM

In article <483b0ee8$0$25027$607ed4bc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Tony Harding <ToHard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Yeah, so? PETA says a lot of things, mostly whacky. Personally I cannot 
> see how a non human animal can have rights --- will they be voting next?

> Or busing the white cows into black cows' neighborhoods?

Read "The Omnivore's Dilemma".  There is an interesting discussion of 
that in there.  The book is basically a natural history of several 
dinners that the author ate, where he traced everything on the table 
back to its origins.  It is quite fascinating to see where our food 
comes from.

There's an interesting section where, as he eats a nice steak dinner in 
a top restaurant, he's reading a book by one of the leading pro-animal 
rights philosophers, and it is causing him some problems with that meal.  
He summarizes that arguments from the philosopher, and they are pretty 
good.

The thing that gives the most difficulty is that if you try to pin down 
a good reason *why* animals should not have rights, you either end up 
with reasons that apply to narrowly (so that, say, babies and retarded 
humans would not have rights), or you end up with arguments that sound 
uncomfortably like the arguments that were used to justify things like 
keeping blacks as slaves, or committing genocide on Jews.

The good news for those of us who want to eat the tasty critters, 
without having to end up sounding like slave owners or nazis, or 
conceding that babies and retarded humans should have no rights, is that 
what these pro-rights arguments argue for is that animals should have 
the right to be free of human-inflicted suffering.

Our food animals are mostly animals that in nature depend on being 
preyed upon for the health of the species.  That is, without predators, 
their herds would become unhealthy and overpopulated, and then die.  So, 
there is no ethics problem with humans taking the role of the predators.  
When we kill a cow to eat it, that might be bad for that cow, but it is 
a good thing for Cowkind.  So, as long as we are humane in *how* we do 
our predation, we are in the clear ethically.  It is quite doable to 
raise and slaughter animals in a way that does not inflict suffering on 
them.


-- 
--Tim Smith
 




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Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
Armillaria caligata <b  2008-05-07 09:52:22 
Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Je=DFus?=   2008-05-08 11:13:15 
Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
"higher elvisarchy&q  2008-05-21 03:46:49 
Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
Tony Harding <ToHard@[  2008-05-26 15:30:28 
Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
Laurie <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-28 15:09:32 
Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
"higher elvisarchy&q  2008-05-21 03:41:40 
Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
Tony Harding <ToHard@[  2008-05-26 15:26:31 
Re: Lisa Simpson's Nightmare!
Tim Smith <reply_in_gr  2008-06-04 18:45:50 
Animals do NOT have "rights" for the same reason humans do not '
Laurie <no@[EMAIL PROT  2008-06-12 10:47:36 
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dh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-12 15:58:12 
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"luuk luuk luuk puuk  2008-06-13 02:49:28 
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Rudy Canoza <pipes@[EM  2008-06-12 21:38:12 
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"luuk luuk luuk puuk  2008-06-16 16:54:03 
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dh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-24 16:09:12 
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"luuk luuk luuk puuk  2008-06-13 02:48:57 
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Ron Hamilton <banmilk@  2008-06-12 21:38:44 
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"luuk luuk luuk puuk  2008-06-16 16:54:41 

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