On Oct 15, 3:13 pm, arch...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> "And since most people still aren't even lactose tolerant"
>
> "Most" covers much ground, what pro****tion where and what explains the
> distribution for those with a very high level and those with a very low
> level? Hint, our fearless leader gave recently some numbers as a start
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> your answer.
Junk DNA was covered. Not only is it you who cherry picked research on
DM1 but you are trying to (rotten) cherry pick a single component of
milk (lactose) and ignore all the other contents. You don't do this to
sup****t a necessity for milk in adulthood (you admitted it was not),
not to suggest it is the healthiest option (you finally admitted that
too). For what point are you repeating that some mutated adults are
lactose persistent? Is it because you're imagining cow milk to be
necessary for adult humans in the future, in spite of the health risks
now?
> "and because of the positive correlation between acquired diseases with
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> various contents in cow's milk (perfect for calves), there is no
> nutritional advantage to consuming cow's milk instead of available
fruit.=
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>
> Fruit, perfect for plant sprouts.
after primate dispersal of seeds within the showy, aromatic, fibrous
fruit obtained from trees, shrubs, vines, etc.
> What about the acquired disorders from
> plant sources, including fruits?
Covered yesterday-
On Oct 15, 12:53 am, crisology <crisol...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Not only is evidence lacking for a positive correlation between fruit
> and DM1 but I have shown you evidence for negative correlation between
> fruit and MD2 risk a few months ago.
> Now for type 1:
> BR J. Nutr. 2008 Feb;99 Suppl 1:S33-9.
> Finally, children and parents should be taught how to count
> carbohydrates, which would help them manage exceptions in their daily
> meal plan. Specifically, nutritional recommendations for children with
> diabetes focus on limiting the intake of foods of animal origin (red
> meat, cheese, cold cuts), moderating fat intake and promoting the
> intake of foods that naturally contain fibre (mainly vegetables,
> legumes, fruit).
>
> Diabetologia. 2007 Feb;50(2):307-16. Epub 2006 Nov 29.
> CONCLUSIONS/INTERPRETATION: Diabetic children and adolescents had a
> high intake of energy from saturated fat and low intake of fibre,
> fruits and vegetables, which could increase the risk of development of
> atherosclerosis. This study sup****ts the idea that nutritional
> guidance in the treatment of children and adolescents with type 1
> diabetes should be more focused, especially with regard to intake of
> fibre, fruits and vegetables and to quality and quantity of fat
> intake.
>
> Etc... Search words for random Pubmed search: "diabetes type 1 fruit"
> Results for the first 2 working links to articles were provided (#1 &
> #3).
> What food source does not provide some
> risk for some small part of the population?
Apparently, fruit naturally provides the lowest health risks and the
most protection.
> Casein is easily digested
Cow's milk protein (CMP) allergy was investigated in 25 children (age-
range 3 months to 11 years) with chronic constipation. A diagnosis of
constipation was made on the basis of a history of painful elimination
of hard stools In seven patients (28%), constipation disappeared
during the CMP-free diet and reappeared within 48-72 h following
challenge with cow's milk..These results suggest that CMP allergy or
intolerance should be considered as a cause of chronic refractory
constipation in children. Pediatr Allergy Immunol. 2001 Dec;12(6):
339-42.
casein from human milk was selected as a model molecule representing
moderately phosphorylated proteins. For this purpose, human milk from
one Caucasian woman in the eighth month of lactation was used. The
phosphorylation level of caseins is believed to have major
implications for the formation of micelles that are involved in
delivering valuable calcium phosphate and other minerals to the new-
born. Human alpha(s1)-casein has been re****ted to be much less
phosphorylated than ruminant caseins, which may indicate a different
function of caseins in humans. Revealing the phosphorylation pattern
in human casein can thus shed light on its function. Analyst. 2007 Aug;
132(8):768-76. Epub 2007 Jun 13.
> Some humans under some conditions can have adverse reactions to milk
All humans have adverse reactions to cow's milk in some way or
another. The conditions covered so far are lactose intolerance (which
covers most people anyway) and DM1 and when you add all the other
adverse reactions to cow/s milk (even for lactose persistent people)
the disease risks just add up. Everyone is susceptible to the opiods,
mucoproteins, demineralized bones, etc. Whether you get diagnosed w/
acidosis, osteo****osis, the flu, etc remains to be seen. It's just a
gamble to see which milk related disease you run into first or last.
and
> other foods.
I contrasted food w/cow milk for humans in regard to DM1 yesterday,
you didn't respond. Which disease are you referring to now?
> hundreds of millions use milk
and compromise health.
>"You would have to imagine humans in an isolated, competitive biotic
> refugia with positive selection for suckling across species over
> unavailable fruit or negative selection of fruit for millions of years
to
> reverse the contrasting digestive processes that result in opposite
affec=
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> for disease prevention (fruit intake) and risks of diseases correlated
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> unnecessary dairy consumption today."
> What an idea,
Yeah, I can't see it happening either. So you agree that humans can't
adapt to milk from another species.
> who ever suggested some kind of genetic race between fruit
> and milk.
Go ahead and unveil your plan to adapt to the metabolism of a cow
then. I can't help you. It would take a dramatic increase in selective
pressure for milk that I can't imagine. It's like trying to describe a
new species since adapting for another animal's milk is so far out of
the genetic script for humans, given the numerous diseases and
mechanisms by which disease results from consuming foreign milk..
> Human history
didn't alter human metabolism for any food. You remain influenced by
socio-il-logical customs.
> milk is a very large part of the diet for some animal herding groups and
> they do not pass up the occasional fruit they might find.
Food sensitive enteropathy may be caused by milk, the most frequent
and best known example, and soy protein, egg, fish, chicken meat,
ground rice and probably gluten may also tem****arily damage (excluding
celiac disease which is permanent) the small intestinal mucosa in
infancy. (Walker-Smith 1994 ref.7566 5)
So milk works against human adults' fermenting digestive system.
> Nature has
> not done the experiment you propose.
Of course not. I was demonstrating how far-fetched it is for you to
"imagine" humans could one day metabolize milk. I don't see it
happening.
> The lactose adaptation and its association in the last 10000 years for
> populations who domesticated animals as a food source, including milk,
> had nothing to do with fruit its presence or lack thereof.
Humans are specialized frugivores. It doesn't matter if you knew some
people who consumed more milk than fruit. The domesticating population
example obviously wasn't dramatic enough to provide enough selective
pressure to adapt to milk. Fruit still reverses those acquired
diseases that milk contributes to. Milk acidifies, impedes digestion/
metabolism to hinder digestion/metabolism of real food.
> Nature did
> the experiment for us, those populations thrived and expanded. All the
> while eating fruit in pro****tion to what the environment by season
> and/or climate could sup****t or not.
Nature gave some people some junk DNA and you're still celebrating a
speciation party. What population is not susceptible to diseases from
cow milk? Unrefuted is the fact that people who drink milk the most,
increase their risk for many diseases.
Chart 9.3: Association of Cow=92s Milk Consumption and Incidence of Type
1 Diabetes in Different Countries
Incidence
Per
100,000/year
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30| Finland */
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_| Sweden * /
20| /* Norway
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| Great Britain */
| U.S.A.*/ * Denmark
_| / * New Zealand
10| / * Netherlands
| Canada */
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| Japan / * France
0_|_____*/_______________________________________
0 100 200 300
Cow Milk Consumption (liters/person/year)
Chart shown in The China Study p. 190 from (27) Dahl-Jorgensen K,
Joner G, and Hanssen KF. =93Relation****p between cow=92s milk consumption
and incidence of IDDM in childhood.=94 Diabetes Care 14 (1991):
1081-1083.
(28) The pro****tion of Type 1 diabetes due to the consumption of cow=92s
milk, the r2 value, is 96%
Chris
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